ShareSoc’s Shareholder Rights Campaign has been one of our longest running and most important campaigns. The reason it is so important is that current deficiencies in the rights of beneficial shareholders severely hamper our ability, and that of shareholder action groups generally, to hold company managements to account. This impacts the effectiveness of many of our other campaigns. Visit the campaign page for further details and further explanation of the issues.
Since we launched the campaign in 2014, we have made considerable progress, by lobbying government on your behalf. ShareSoc and UKSA directors have held many meetings with government officials on this subject.
Firstly, the then BEIS department (now the Department for Business and Trade – DBT) finally agreed to sponsor a project by the Law Commission on “intermediated securities”. The Law Commission published a “scoping paper” in 2020, acknowledging the defects in current legislation.
Then, we worked closely with Mark Austin on his “Secondary Capital Raising Review”. As well as addressing impediments to issuers raising fresh capital, the Review also addresses issues identified in the Law Commission’s paper, in Chapter 10 of the Austin Review.
Following on from the above work, HM Treasury launched a “Digitisation Taskforce” (DT) in July 2022, led by Sir Douglas Flint, current chairman of abrdn and formerly group finance director and then chair of HSBC. The DT published an interim report on 11th July.
ShareSoc’s policy committee has been studying this report and is working on a response to Sir Douglas’s report. We have a number of serious concerns and would welcome your comments on this article. In essence, the current report proposes the abolition of share certificates WITHOUT guaranteeing the full rights that current certificated shareholders enjoy.
Prior to publication of the interim report, we had received indications that our concerns about shareholder rights would be addressed. So, it is most disappointing to find that they have not been addressed.
Policy Committee member Cliff Weight has drafted his more detailed thoughts below and responses to questions raised in the Interim Report. ShareSoc’s official response is being prepared in collaboration with our colleagues in UKSA and will be submitted and published here in due course. If our concerns are not satisfactorily addressed, then we will step up our campaigning activities regarding Shareholder Rights.
If you have not already done so, I urge you to sign the petition at the bottom of our Shareholder Rights campaign page. You can also donate to ShareSoc from the petition, which will help to fund our campaigning activities.
Mark Bentley
Director, ShareSoc
The following commentary does not express ShareSoc’s official views but are those of one member of our Policy Committee – however, the Policy Committee is broadly in agreement with those views. ShareSoc will publish its official response to the Flint Interim Report shortly.
I have 6 main criticisms of the Digitisation Taskforce’s Interim Report; whose terms of reference can be read here.
First, the use of language in this interim report is incorrect. The DT interim report uses the word rights in the context of shareholder rights in many places. However, the report is often not at all clear that these are not rights, but are services that are defined in the terms and conditions that the UBO (ultimate beneficial owner = investor) who holds via nominee has agreed when he/she/they sign their contract with the platform/nominee. Interactive have started a plain English campaign. It is a huge shame that the DT have not followed the principles of plain English!
Second, there is a lack of statistical data and hence rigour in the report. For example, I would like to know the numbers of investors who have paper certificates and those who have nominee accounts where they also own shares (as UBOs – Ultimate Beneficial Owners). How many have both nominee and paper certificates? How many have paper only? Of these, how many different companies do they have shares in and what is the size of their holdings? A Venn diagram and/or structured analysis is essential to understand the scale of this problem.
Third, there is no consideration of the Swedish model of custody accounts, which are like segregated nominee accounts. This model of ownership allows individual investors to have the same rights as paper certificated ownership currently provides in the UK. The costs of such accounts (c500 Krona to set up and c500 Krona p.a. to run) are not prohibitive.
Fourth, these shareholder rights have existed for in excess of 200 years and are ones that should not be abandoned without more careful thought. The DT’s proposals would remove many of these rights (with a very weak alternative which are not rights) and in particular remove entirely the rights under S811(4) for those who have a proper purpose (with no alternative being offered). Rights under S116, 149 to 153, 303, 310, 311, 312, 314-316, 333, 333A, 338, 338A, 339, 768, 792, 793, 803, 808-811, and probably others too, will be removed.
Unless your name is on the share register of a company you are not a “Member” of the company and hence lose important legal rights (not just voting rights). Mark Austin understood this and (Para 10.11) pointed out: “A ‘drive to digitisation’ could radically overhaul the system to improve end investors’ ability to exercise their shareholder rights and for issuers to know who is on their shareholder register, including the ultimate beneficial owner. Taken to its extreme, this process would necessarily require changes that were both legal and operational in nature for the benefit of not just capital raising processes but wider shareholder rights and engagement in stewardship and other Environmental, Social and Governance (ESG) related activities.”
The DT seems to have ignored this guidance and reversed tack. The DT’s expression of the wish to rely on market forces to deliver beneficial owner rights and facilities is highly likely to be a dismal failure unless there is far more efficient regime for switching platforms and brokers in the UK with very tight short deadlines policed by the Financial Conduct Authority. This is especially important as exercise of rights by beneficial owners matters when a crisis hits a company.
Fifth, all those with a proper purpose should be able to access the information in the register of interests. Individual Shareholders have an important role in holding directors to account. They do this often by asking questions at AGMs, but where necessary, they will requisition shareholder resolutions and General Meetings. Shareholders need to be able to contact other shareholders to explain the issues and get their support. Access to email addresses will greatly enhance individual shareholders ability to do this. However, the DT is proposing to remove this ability to obtain a copy of the register of interests, so that only issuers should have the ability to access information below the level of what is recorded on the company’s share register. The logic for this recommendation is, I believe, faulty. In respect of S811(4), the proper purpose test works well. The registrars are the first point of call and when I recently asked, they could not recall any cases of abuse in UK quoted companies. Google Bard tells me of only two cases and these were private companies.
Sixth, the DT has not met its own terms of reference, numbers 3 (no degradation of rights) and 4 (investors to more effectively and efficiently communicate with a company’s entire shareholder base).
My draft responses to the DT’s questions are below. Their consultation includes 9 questions, but the most important to individual investors are questions 4, 5, 7 and 9.
Before getting into the “meat” of the Digitisation Taskforce interim report, I would like to comment on the line of attack often used as an excuse for de-prioritising shareholder voting rights. Statistically, it has been demonstrated that most individual shareholders do not vote (even when they have the ability to do so) most of the time. However, I believe there are two key factors that play a role in this (and they certainly apply to me personally):
Personally, I only make an effort to vote when there is a resolution that I have strong feelings about. ShareSoc Director Mark Bentley adopts a similar approach.
I would like to see Option 2 re-examined. This option is viable in Sweden, where individual investors are offered both segregated and pooled accounts; and many individual investors choose to have segregated accounts.
I expect that there would be huge economies of scale if hundreds of thousands or millions moved to segregated accounts.
I would like to know the numbers of investors who have paper certificates and those who have nominee accounts where they also own shares (as UBOs). How many have both nominee and paper certificates? How many have paper only. A Venn diagram or structured analysis is essential to understand the scale of this problem.
In addition, Flint has rejected “Immobilisation”, without saying why, whilst Austin highlighted the opportunity (Para 10.15) “An additional option to computerise records of ownership is Immobilisation. This entails placing securities issued in paper form in the custody of a central party, who becomes the legal owner of the securities. Other investors hold through that depository. In contrast, securities issued in dematerialised form in CREST are not legally held by CREST; it is maintaining the register of legal owners rather than holding securities on custody. This nuance is important, as CREST does not appear on the register of dematerialised securities whereas in an immobilisation model, the central party providing custody services will be the only legal member for securities issued through a computer-based system on the company’s register.”
No.
It is unclear if the main platforms (e.g. Hargreaves, interactive investor, AJ Bell) will want to recruit new customers who only have shares in 1 or 2 companies. Currently they offer incentives to new customers and it would be helpful if the DT were to obtain a promise from leading platforms that they would continue to do this for at least until the end of 2025.
As noted above it is unclear how many potential customers there would be.
It is also unclear if the registrars would offer a service for companies with lots of small shareholders (who currently hold via paper certificates) and what the level of charge would be for this. Currently the issuer bears the costs of the paper certificated system. This has been the principle for in excess of 200 years and one that should not be abandoned without more careful thought.
Investors may also not be aware of the finer details of their interest in shares where the platform, understandably, seeks to simplify the user experience and only includes a description of the legal arrangements in lengthy terms and conditions which may not be reviewed in detail by the retail investor. It is therefore up to organisations like ShareSoc and UKSA to fight on behalf of such investors to ensure their rights are protected.
No. These shareholder rights have existed for in excess of 200 years and one that should not be abandoned without more careful thought.
First, the use of language in this interim report is incorrect. The interim report uses the word rights in the context of shareholder rights in many places. However, it is often not at all clear that these are not rights, but are services that are defined in the terms and conditions that the UBO (ultimate beneficial owner = investor), who holds via nominee, has agreed when he/she/they sign their contract with the platform/nominee.
Interactive have started a plain English campaign. It is a huge shame that the DT have not followed the principles of plain English!
Each of the rights needs to be considered. In particular, but not limited to, voting rights. These rights of shareholders have existed for over 200 years and the DT proposals would remove many of these rights (with a very weak alternative which are not rights) and in particular remove entirely the rights under S811(4) for those who have a proper purpose (with no alternative being offered). Rights under S116, 149 to 153, 303, 310, 311, 312, 314-316, 333, 333A, 338, 338A, 339, 768, 792, 793, 803, 808-811, and probably others too, will be removed.
In particular: S153 Exercise of rights where shares held on behalf of others: members’ requests
(1) This section applies for the purposes of—
(a) section 314 (power to require circulation of statement),
(b) section 338 (public companies: power to require circulation of resolution for AGM),
[F1(ba)section 338A (traded companies: members’ power to include matters in business dealt with at AGM),]
(c) section 342 (power to require independent report on poll), and
(d) section 527 (power to require website publication of audit concerns).
There is also important case law that may be overridden by the DT’s proposals.
No. All those with a proper purpose should be able to access the information in the register of interests. The logic for this recommendation is, I believe, faulty. In respect of S811(4), the proper purpose test works well. The registrars are the first point of call and when I recently asked them could not report any cases they can recall of abuse for quoted companies. Google Bard tells me of only two cases, both private companies.
Mark Austin’s review and the Law Commission Review highlighted the need for reform to S793 requests. Mark Austin’s Recommendation was: Section 793 of the Companies Act 2006 should be amended to additionally require disclosure of the identity of the ultimate investment decision maker or beneficial owner in relation to a share …including an email address at a minimum.
Cliff Weight
ShareSoc Policy Committee Member
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Meeting Frequency/Timing: | Monthly, usually on the first and second Thursday of each month from 7pm. Any face to face meetings will be during the daytime. |
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Meeting Type/Venue: | In person at a friendly pub close to Piccadilly Circus. We also have the option for members to join the meetings remotely if they are unable to attend in person. |
Meeting Frequency/Timing: | Meetings are held in the evening from 6pm to 9:30pm with a 30 minute break for supper, at monthly intervals. |
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Meeting Type/Venue: | Meetings are held online. |
Meeting Frequency/Timing: | Meetings are held every 6 weeks from 4pm to 6pm on a Monday. |
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Meeting Type/Venue: | In person at a friendly pub close to Piccadilly Circus |
Meeting Frequency/Timing: | Monthly during the evening on the first Wednesday of the month. |
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Meeting content is determined by the group in advance of meetings and the agenda will typically include discussions on stock ideas and other investment themes. |
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Meeting Frequency/Timing: | We meet at 12:30pm on a week day during the first week of each month. Meetings are 2-3 hours depending on the number of items on the agenda. |
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Meeting Type/Venue: | Online via Zoom |
Meeting Frequency/Timing: | Monthly on the first Monday of the month.
Meetings start at 7 pm, and end between 8.30 and 9 pm. |
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Meeting Type/Venue: | Our meetings are held in a private room at a nice pub near to South Ealing tube station (Piccadilly Line), not far from Ealing Broadway (District, Central and Elizabeth Line). |
Meeting Frequency/Timing: | We meet every 2 months, usually on a Wednesday morning at 11am. |
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Meeting Type/Venue: | Online via Zoom |
Meeting Frequency/Timing: | The first Tuesday of every month from 7 to 9pm |
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Meetings will typically include a number of presentations on specific stock ideas and on investing styles and themes. Meetings will also review the performance of our “portfolio” of up to ten stocks chosen by the members in a share picking competition competing against other SIGnet groups across the UK. Additionally, members will be encouraged to identify a share from their portfolios and talk about it for 3 minutes (short ideas welcome). |
Meeting Type/Venue: | We plan to meet physically every month during the day at various venues across West Sussex. During the summer months we may hold a number of evening meetings to encourage attendance from those unable to make meetings during the day. Additionally, we will hold online meetings from time to time. |
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Meeting Frequency/Timing: | 7pm on the last Tuesday of the month. Meetings likely to last about two hours but with informal ‘overspill’ before / after. |
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Meeting Type/Venue: | The group meets at a venue in Waterloo, London. |
Meeting Frequency/Timing: | Meetings are on Tuesday mornings at two month intervals. |
Group description: | This group was set up as a forum to discuss companies in detail, each company is introduced by a member and discussion may last one or two hours. Membership is by invitation only. |
Meeting Type/Venue: | The group meets at a venue in Waterloo, London. |
Meeting Frequency/Timing: | Meeting on Monday mornings at two month intervals. |
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Meeting Type/Venue: | Remotely via Zoom on Saturdays on a bi-monthly basis, on dates collectively agreed by all group members. |
Meeting Frequency/Timing: | Bi-monthly. |
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Meeting Frequency/Timing: | Our aim is to meet at least once a month virtually with physical meetings when the opportunity arises. We are fortunate in Edinburgh to have many quality venues for meetings, and occasional investor events that allow ad-hoc meet-ups around the shared interest of investing & trading. |
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Meetings consider topical investment issues, facilitate the exchange of ideas, and are intended to provide a forum for the enjoyable sharing of areas of expertise. |
Meeting Type/Venue: | Face to face meetings are held monthly. Various venues in Worcestershire are used. |
Meeting Frequency/Timing: | Meetings are held monthly, on weekdays, typically staring at 12 Noon, and finishing at 3pm. |
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Meeting Frequency/Timing: | We meet midweek every two months. Zoom meetings run for about two hours from 10.30am and in person meetings from 11am until about 3pm, including a break for lunch. |
Group description: | This group meets to look at issues that are of interest to the group, to look at individual companies with an investors eye and collectively raise the group’s knowledge of investable companies. There is also discussion on buys and sells made by members which calls upon and builds the collective skills and understanding of the group members. |
Meeting Type/Venue: | The meetings are held in Piccadilly Circus in a pub private room. The group does not meet on zoom. |
Meeting Frequency/Timing: | The group meets on the second Wednesday in every month from 6.30pm to 9pm. |
Group description: | The National Group is open to all members of SIGnet. It is intended primarily for new SIGnet members, who may not yet have found another suitable group to join. We aim to welcome new members and discuss their investment interests and current investment topics. Investors with all levels of experience are welcome to join. |
Meeting Type/Venue: | Online |
Meeting Frequency/Timing: | The National Group meets monthly, on a weekday evening. Meetings are generally from 7-8:30pm. |
Group description: | This group was formed in September 2023 and meets in-person during the evening in a London pub. The group is open to all investors – a good proportion of the initial membership are experienced investors. |
Meeting Type/Venue: | In-person meetings. Pub. Dinner and drinks. |
Meeting Frequency/Timing: | Monthly on the third Tuesday of the month from 6-9pm. |
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Meeting Type/Venue: | We have face to face meetings every two months at a venue close to Waterloo Station, London. |
Meeting Frequency/Timing: | Meetings run from 11am to 4.30pm, usually on a Tuesday and include a lunch. |
Group description: | Group focused on active investing, primarily in small / medium cap UK equities. |
Meeting Type/Venue: | Regular Zoom meetings interspersed with occasional face to face meetings and social activities in the North West. |
Meeting Frequency/Timing: | Monthly on Saturdays at 10am. |
Group description: | Our group covers a wide spectrum of mainly stock market investing and trading from equities – which include shares, ETF’s Investment and Unit Trusts. We normally rotate the meeting chairperson (responsible for creating, with member’s help, suitable agendas) and a meeting presenter (members take it in turns to provide a 15 to 45 minute presentation on a subject of their choice). Various investing topics of interest are regularly discussed such as software, brokers, investing categories and markets and any related topics of interest. |
Meeting Type/Venue: | Meetings will be returning to in-person in a private room at a West London golf club, close to an underground station. In the meantime monthly video calls and an in-between meeting email group will continue. |
Meeting Frequency/Timing: | In-person meetings will be held on the second Wednesday of each month in the afternoons, following a golf club one course lunch. |
Group description: | The Options group has been meeting monthly for some 20+ years and new members who are either trading or interested in trading options are always welcome. Our members trade options predominately on both UK and USA shares, indices, currencies and commodities. |
Meeting Type/Venue: | Meetings take place via video call. |
Meeting Frequency/Timing: | Meetings are monthly, on the 4th Wednesday of each month, normally from 12:30 to 2:30 and sometimes run over. |
Group description: | This group is nominally the Edinburgh group. However, the group actually draws membership from: Edinburgh, The Lothians, The Borders, Fife and Stirlingshire.
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Meeting Type/Venue: | The aim is to have a mix of formats to support the requirements of all group members:
– Online meetings once per month in the evenings to suit those members who are working |
Meeting Frequency/Timing: | Our aim is to meet at least once a month virtually with physical meetings as frequently or more often when the opportunity arises. We are fortunate in Edinburgh to have many quality venues for meetings, and occasional investor events that allow ad-hoc meet-ups around the shared interest of investing. |
Group description: | This group is open to all levels of investor and is particularly popular because it meets after working hours in central London. The meeting usually has a presentation or group discussion on aspects of investing and also runs a Buys & Sells session which gives everyone the chance to see what the other group members are buying or selling and why. |
Meeting Type/Venue: | The venue is near Victoria Station in a pub where the group also enjoy a meal from a typical pub menu. |
Meeting Frequency/Timing: | This group meets in the evening in London. It is a face to face group that meets every third Tuesday in the month from 6.30pm to 9pm. |
Group description: | This group is for those interested in investing in the USA. It is open to all investors with a special interest in this area and all levels of experience are welcome. A typical meeting will have a discussion on a particular market issue or a presentation by a member or external speaker on a subject of interest to the group. All members are expected to play a part in presenting and to take an active role in making the group of value to all its members. |
Meeting Type/Venue: | As a specialist group with a wide geographic spread of members, our meetings are held on zoom. |
Meeting Frequency/Timing: | Meetings are monthly and are held on the third Tuesday in the month from 11-12.30PM. |
Group description: | A group that welcomes investors with all levels of experience. We aim to provide a friendly north-eastern welcome to anyone that wishes to join, share their knowledge of investing and benefit from others’ knowledge and experience.
The group discusses a range of investment related topics. |
Meeting Type/Venue: | Currently, we’re meeting in-person at a venue in Durham. |
Meeting Frequency/Timing: | Meetings occur monthly, on weekday evenings from 7pm-9pm. We may vary this, according to demand from group members. |
Group description: | We hold monthly in-person meetings with possible exceptions in August and December. Discussions are generally on the topic of investment strategy and potential companies of interest. Each member is expected to make an investment-related presentation approximately once a year. |
Meeting Type/Venue: | We meet in a private room at a pub around 7 miles SW of Oxford. We usually each order a dish from the pub menu that is served during the meeting. |
Meeting Frequency/Timing: | Meetings are in-person, monthly on the 4th Tuesday of the month at 7pm. Typical meetings last 2 to 2.5 hours. |
Group description: | The group is open to more experienced and established investors who are active traders in shares, bonds and other investment vehicles. All present members are “mature” individuals but this would not preclude younger experienced investors.
At present there is an interest within the group in AIM shares with a view to inheritance tax planning but this is not in preclusion to other interests, REITs, Investment Trusts, Property etc. |
Meeting Type/Venue: | Meetings take place in person at private houses mainly in the north Leeds area. On occasion, especially in the summer, meetings may be held in members’ houses elsewhere in the general area.
At each meeting the members outline their recent activity and its relevance to their overall investment goals. Current fiscal events and economic conditions are discussed. |
Meeting Frequency/Timing: | The group meets each month on a working day determined at the end of the preceding meeting.
The meetings commence at 10:30 am and continue until around 1:00 to 1:30 pm. |
Group description: | A small group covering Dorset and South Hampshire.
We enjoy wide ranging discussions sharing views and knowledge on all investing types. We discuss relevant world events, sectors of interest, unit and investment trusts and individual equities. The group has been running for many years and members are all active investors. New members welcome. |
Meeting Type/Venue: | Monthly meeting alternating between Zoom and Face to Face. The latter is in a local pub near the New Forest. All the meetings of recent years have taken place in the evening. |
Meeting Frequency/Timing: | Monthly during the evening, 7pm-9pm. |
Group description: | Meeting once a month, our group covers a variety of investment styles. We also have an active WhatsApp group and we welcome new members. |
Meeting Type/Venue: | Physical meetings at a venue in Preston, Hitchin, SG4. |
Meeting Frequency/Timing: | Monthly on a Saturday at 10am (usually the last Saturday of the month). |
Group description: | Experienced investors who have been members many years and newer members wanting to learn about investing. Members discuss portfolio content and reasons why they have certain assets and investments. Buys and sells discussed along with interesting shares being considered along with current issues in the market of local or international influence. |
Meeting Type/Venue: | Physical face to face meetings held in a central pub in Easton in Gordano. |
Meeting Frequency/Timing: | Usually monthly to 6 weekly, mid week 12 noon to 2pm with lunch. |
Group description: | We are a relatively small group, but have a wide range of interests so always start every meeting with a discussion about world issues and the “investing environment” generally. We always discuss individual members market activity and any interesting opportunities on their watchlists. There is currently a lot of expertise in the small cap value area of the market within the group. |
Meeting Type/Venue: | Our preference is for a physical meeting and a hotel in Meriden (Coventry) is the usual location, but we do have on-line meetings when weather and/or health issues make that the most suitable option. We rotate the chair and this is agreed at the previous meeting. |
Meeting Frequency/Timing: | Our preference is to meet every 4 weeks on a Thursday evening, but the exact details are agreed at the previous meeting. |
Group description: | A small group whose primary interests are equity and Investment Trusts. |
Meeting Type/Venue: | Currently meeting online using Skype. It is envisaged to have occasional meetings at member’s private houses in the future. |
Meeting Frequency/Timing: | Meetings are held fortnightly on Tuesday mornings using Skype. |
Group description: | Most members are experienced investors. The main focus is on equity investments (single stocks or investment trusts). Other asset classes are discussed. Meetings involve presentations from members who are expected to lead discussions from time to time. |
Meeting Type/Venue: | Meeting quarterly, physically in Central London. Other months (8 months per year) on Zoom. |
Meeting Frequency/Timing: | Meetings are generally held on the 3rd Wednesday of the month. The Quarterly physical meetings are from 11am-4pm (with approximately 1 hour break for lunch), the Zoom meetings (during the other 8 months) tend to last up to 2 hours (11am – 12:45pm). |
Group description: | A long-established group, however, we welcome new applications. Our meetings start at 10:15am with coffee and scones when members comment on their investment activities since the previous month. Generally, each member reports on a specific Company/IT/Fund e.t.c. This brings us to about 12:30pm when the meeting ends, and we have lunch. |
Meeting Type/Venue: | In-person at a Golf Club in Belfast. |
Meeting Frequency/Timing: | The group usually meets on the second Wednesday of the month, all year round, except in July and August when we have no meetings. Meetings commence at 10:15am and last 2-3 hours (including lunch). |
Group description: | We welcome anyone interested in investments regardless of their level of knowledge and experience. |
Meeting Type/Venue: | Physical meeting in the Boardroom of a venue in RG9 (pre-meetings in the bar). |
Meeting Frequency/Timing: | Monthly – 3rd Wednesday of each month at 18:00 (except January, where the meeting will be held at lunch time). |
Group description: | We are a friendly social group welcoming investors with all levels of experience. Our membership varies between those with little or no knowledge of investing to those who live off their investing or their portfolios. We do not invest as a group so there is no money on the table, and we never discuss individual worth; we simply discuss and share investing ideas, we analyse the state of the market, individual stocks, funds, trusts, bonds etc., and we invite contributions from all group members. Guest speakers and company presentations are a regular feature, as is the SIGnet competition and also our own long-term Manchester Portfolio. We invite members to volunteer presentations from time to time on particular topics of their interest / expertise. At each meeting members are asked to share their latest or potential buying and selling activity. Our face-to-face meetings are punctuated by a lunch break, and for those with the time there is socialising and drinks afterwards. Most of all we learn from each other. |
Meeting Type/Venue: | The group meets through a combination of Zoom and face-to-face meetings at a central Manchester boardroom style venue. |
Meeting Frequency/Timing: | Meets bi-monthly, 10am-3pm on Monday mornings, usually mid-month. |
Group description: | The Leicester Square Group welcomes investors with all levels of experience, but all members are expected to contribute to our discussions. We discuss/analyse individual stocks, market trends and investment topics. Guest speakers are sometimes invited to address the group. At each meeting all members are asked to inform the group of what stocks or collective investments they’ve been buying or selling, or are considering buying or selling. A friendly and supportive discussion is encouraged. The meeting is punctuated by a lunch break, providing an opportunity to socialise. After the meeting, members may stay on for drinks and to socialise further. |
Meeting Type/Venue: | Physical meetings at a central London venue |
Meeting Frequency/Timing: | Meets bi-monthly, 11am-4pm on a weekday |
Our thinking continues to develop. I would add these comments to the answer to Question 4.
We think that Option 1 is potentially a better option than Option 3. It is important to understand and recognise that Option 1 has one shareholder register, but with two components. Flint on page 14 refers to two registers, which is not the case and his choice of words is misleading and unhelpful. Option 1 will be the most familiar solution for the millions of existing paper certified shareholders. Much of the existing friction between the current paper system, investors and the platforms will be eliminated when the existing arrangements are digitised:
i. paper cheques
ii. paper annual reports, notices of GMs, proxy notices, dividend confirmations
iii. postage of the above
iv. execution of sales of shares
v. transfer of shares from the digital system to platforms.
In addition, there will be no need for certificated shareholders to identify and go through Know Your Customer, Anti-Money Laundering and other processes with a nominee platform that are deemed by them as necessary to hold and administer investors’ dematerialised interests.
Furthermore, as the registrar already has the bank details and other history, the process of identifying “lost” shareholders will be done by the Issuer/Registrar and not a platform/nominee who will not have such information.
We would like to see a proper cost comparison of Option 1 and Option 3. We believe Option 1 will lead to more cost savings than Option 3 and that more of these cost savings will be passed on to investors in Option 1 than in Option 3.
Option 3 is a (much) more significant change than Option 1. It has higher risks and as any good businessperson knows risks should be avoided unless the cost benefit is very clear. The main risks of Option 3 compared to Option 1 are:
i. Negative PR from removal of paper certificates and replacement by a much more complicated system, combined with removal of existing rights so that Press headlines like “investors’ shares are worth less[1]/devalued” may be used. The fact that UKSA, ShareSoc and the Registrars’ Group are all highlighting the feasibility of Option 1 increases the risk of negative PR.
ii. (Potentially) higher costs of Option 3/ the lack of detailed cost comparisons.
iii. If you digitise the existing register you can leave it for Issuers to determine if/how to manage unresponsive holders (many companies already perform tracing and forfeiture arrangements) and consequently there’s no enforced cost]
iv. Higher numbers of untraced shareholders, which might lead to years and years of negative press stories as old worthless share certificates turn up.
v. Removal of competition to platforms and concentration of all shares within CREST, puts investors at risk to future price increases. This is particularly the case for smaller customers, who at some stage in the business cycle may be deemed as uneconomic. In addition, the difficulties of moving from one platform to another are well known and the subject of various FCA studies. Option 3 potentially increases this risk.
Option 1 also allows the continuation of the existing shareholder rights and property rights that will be removed under Option 3.
[…] Sharesoc’s comments are here: https://www.sharesoc.org/sharesoc-news/flint-interim-report-a-betrayal/ […]
Their seems to me three conditions to be fulfilled for shareholders with a small quantity of shares to exercise any control over the company in which they have invested:
• A requirement to be able to receive relevant company communications.
• A requirement to be able to vote on any company resolutions.
• A requirement for individual shareholders to access the entire company shareholder register. The company will have access to the entire register and without allowing controlled access by individual shareholders the Board of Directors will only face opposition by institutional holders.
I consider that all shareholders should receive the same rights otherwise, as has been shown in other markets, there will be a ‘race to the bottom’. Why would any small shareholder wish to, as is implied, pay more for access to some, or all, shareholder rights? Most shareholders realise they can do little to affect the outcome of a AGM resolutions, directors remuneration or share schemes etc etc, in a public company: Currently the only rational option is to vote with their feet.
For the reasons stated above the companys entire shareholder register should be publicly assessable to identify individaul shareholders. This should be considered an essential part of enabling shareholder democracy.
From my own experience this is true as most AGM’s and resolutions are non- contentious and I do not bother to attend or vote. However, when a conscientious resolution is put forward by the Board, or a new director is proposed against the wishes of the Board, I would want to both take an interest and to be able to hear both sides of the argument and then be able to vote accordingly.
Similarly, I would not want, for example, to necessarily attend and vote at the AGM of my local Sports Club – but I do want the right, if I am a member, to be able to do so.
Thanks Robert: nail hit on head!
Rest assured that our response to Flint will make these matters clear.